Hayden says:
First of all i challenge you to watch this video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlEQur0pUmg
Brad:
Many of the comments on this video seem to suggest that the Greenpeace vessel had right of way. Also as the much smaller vessel they had far more to lose from the collision than the whaling boat. Also, Greenpeace was clearly hard on the reverse power as soon as the captain realised the Nissin Maru wasn't going to give way. As we can not see what the whaling boat is doing (convenient that the camera was on board this ship) it is almost impossible to draw any reasonable conclusions from this video. I will investigate more when I have time but for the moment I am not convinced GP was at fault. If we can see a similar video from the Greenpeace boat or from above the two boats we might get a better idea.
Hayden says:
If you honestly believe the whaling ship was at fault after watching that i feel sorry for you, you've obviously been conned by an organization with no scientific base and a lack of intelligence who respond to public opinion rather than to help the environment.
Brad says:
Hang on, isn't responding to public opinion what democracy is about? Are you saying democracy is wrong and we should all do what you think is right?
Hayden says:
Also i don't believe the whaling is scientific, i believe it is sustainable as all current figures employed by biologists (rather than green peace propaganda ministers (Brad: Who are these people?) suggest.
Brad says:
I suppose this is from the same people who said the Canadian cod fishery was sustainable. You really don't have to look far to find endless evidence not only that whales are being over exploited unsustainably, but also countless other species. Read more here.
Hayden says:
As for calling me a whale hater i am not i love all animals in the environment (Brad: This is a logical fallacy unless you can still love something that you think is okay to exploit), i just wish Greenpeace would help the ones that really need it (such as those in the amazon jungle) rather than those that are 'cool' to protect, as up until 18 months ago you used to agree with me.
Brad says:
I have never ever stated that hunting whales is good. I agree there are many other worthy creatures and habitats that deserve attention from Greenpeace. Perhaps you could join up and donate some money so that they have the resources to do this...).
Hayden:
I challenge you to put this email on your blog (Brad: done), because the level of immaturity shown by you by claiming to have won an argument when the other person does not have right of reply is beyond a joke - i guess you'd fit right at home in Greenpeace, please research your 'facts' in future before claiming to have won.
Brad:
I think it is reasonably clear who has the right 'facts' in this case.
Hayden:
And to call the G20 protesters a bunch of kids for doing what they believed was right, is quite hilarious, considering Greenpeace is a group of uneducated people with no scientific background performing violent acts, sounds pretty similar to me.
Brad says:
I am not sure what your definition of uneducated is, but certainly much of Greenpeace's strongest support and membership comes from students at universities.
Hayden:
I would also like to draw your attention to your initial reply to my email:
About the violent protest, you make a good point, although in the case of the G20 protests it was more a case of violence for violence's sake – whereas with Greenpeace they are taking action against an activity that although not completely illegal, is widely condemned by most of the western world.
You said i make a good point you seem to have changed your tune now.
Brad:
In this quote I was referring to the fact that I think violent protest is wrong, which is definitely not something that Greenpeace encourages or partakes in.
Hayden:
I guess you'll be supporting the Green parties idea to stop all mining in Australia, therefore bankrupting the country over night next wouldn't suprise me considering you supported a group of people who should all have been convicted of attempted murder.
Hmmm, not sure what this has to do with Greenpeace (separate from the Green party, of which you will be aware I am not a political supporter of).
Okay I think that about does it for this debate. This will likely be my last post on the issue for a while.
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